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Julian Swindell

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Chinese Yuloh
« on: 15 Mar 2010, 08:29 »
Has anyone used a Chinese yuloh? The single bent sculling oar over the stern. I have lashed one together for my BayCruiser, but have no idea how it might work on the water. I have posted some photos on my blog. Any comments or advice appreciated.
http://daisygracebaycruiser20no1.blogspot.com/2010/03/yuloh.html
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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #1 on: 16 Mar 2010, 12:53 »
I'd really like to know how you mounted it on the transom and how it works in use.  I want to to do the same thing on my BayRaider.  How long are the legs? 

I think the concept will work.  I dislike using an outboard and think the yuloh is an elegant way to go.  A closeup of the transom mount would be very interesting.  Good luck and please post some more details and the results.

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Julian Swindell

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #2 on: 16 Mar 2010, 15:43 »
Hi Ron.
I have no idea if it will work yet. The two sections of the yuloh were about 6ft (1.8m) long initially, with a slight overlap at the joint. That was just the length the wood came in from the shop. The pivot socket is a brass end cap from a water pipe and is just screwed and epoxied to the under side of the handle just near the joint. I decided that the handle projected too far into the cockpit so I have sawn about 10 inches off it. So the blade is about 1.8m long and the handle about 1.6m I think the blade may be too short, and needs more projection into the water, but I haven't tried yet. The angle is about 11 degrees, for no particular reason. 12-13 degrees might stow better beside the cabin.
The pivot is a 10mm coach bolt fitted to the platform I have bolted on the rear deck for a boarding ladder. That meant I didn't have to do anything drastic to the boat and can take it all off if it doesn't work. I ill try to post photos of it below
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Michael Rogers

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #3 on: 17 Mar 2010, 09:53 »
Julian, there is an interesting article on the yuloh in the latest Junk Rig Association Newsletter (which is actually an elegantly produced magazine). It's by Slieve McGalliard, who is R&D Secretary of the JRA and, together with some Norwegians, has evolved the variable camber sail for junk rig which has transformed its overall performance. (It was Slieve's yacht Poppy which astonished Cowes in the round-the-island race in 2008). The article combines theory with practicalities, and includes a 'recipe' for an effective yuloh, which determines things like overall length (likely to be at least 50% of LWL), length and shape of blade, degree of bend and where it should be, taking into account the height of the yuloher and his/her position in relation to the bend. All this seems to assume a working angle of 45 degrees of the yuloh loom/blade with the water surface.

You may feel you have enough 'theory' to work with. If not, I could photocopy the article and post it to you - if I knew your address! I'm not sure what the rules of this forum are about exchanging such information - ??

Relating all this to my boat, I wonder whether one can yuloh ( the noun has become a verb; I hope that's allowed) sitting down? Probably not. For various reasons I'll probably have to stay with sculling, which at least I can already do. How to make that practical with a double-ender? - I have seen the archive picture (on a website) of this being done.

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #4 on: 31 Aug 2010, 07:20 »
Julian,
Did you ever get around to testing your Yuloh?  I was pointed towards this thread from the pedal power one.

A quick google it seems that a Yuloh could be perfect for those of use who want to get rid of the outboard.  I found one reference to propelling a five ton thirty foot yacht at 2 knots.

I wonder if the mizen will get in the way.

Best wishes
Simon
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Julian Swindell

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #5 on: 31 Aug 2010, 09:26 »
Hi Simon
I tried it out for all of three minutes. The problem was the length. It really needs to be very long to reach comfortably into the water. That would have made it much too long to stow easily on board. It might not be such a problem on the BayRaider as I think you stern is closer to the water and you have more long-item stowage space in the open Raider anyway. The mizzen is no problem at all, you actually want the yuloh off to one side so you can stand beside it.

I had a couple of problem with the pivot point, but they could all have been dealt with easily with a bit of tweaking. It was the need for an impractically long one that stopped it for me. If you don't mind a stowed yuloh sticking a couple of yards off the stern, it could be done, but I haven't taken it any further. Yet...
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Simon Knight

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #6 on: 01 Sep 2010, 07:23 »
Julian,

Guess what I shall be making as soon as I get home?  (I am in Bournemouth at present without a boat :-(  )

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Julian Swindell

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #7 on: 01 Sep 2010, 17:09 »
Hi Simon
This is the page I copied my yuloh from. The only chnage I made was using a brass screw end fitting for water pipe as the socket in the underside of the oar. It fitted the head of the coach bolt pivot perfectly. Just the short length scuppered the project

http://simplicityboats.com/yulohpage2.html
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Simon Knight

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #8 on: 02 Sep 2010, 11:04 »
I found this video on t' web : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7MQsdLpWaM

if it works on a Drascombe then it WILL work on a BR!

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Julian Swindell

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #9 on: 02 Sep 2010, 20:58 »
Interesting video. It shows why mine didn't work. He has got all of his blade under water. I only managed about 6 inches and it just never dug in. One day I might try again, but I think it would be a good idea on the BayRaider.
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Graham W

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #10 on: 27 Mar 2011, 22:53 »
This French-invented solution to the problem of lack of expertise in sculling looks interesting http://www.duckworksbbs.com/gear/scullmatix/index.htm.

It includes links to YouTube videos of the inventor and others doing some fairly nifty sculling.
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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #11 on: 28 Mar 2011, 08:18 »
It's an interesting device but the Chinese have already thought about it.  They anchor the end of their Yuloh to the deck of the boat with a rope.  The Yuloh is operated by holding the rope near the yuloh; as force is applied to the rope the yuloh twists to the correct angle.  At the end of the stroke the force on the rope is reversed so the yuloh twists ready for the next stroke.

Well thats the theory - I hope to start building my mark 1 this week.

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Simon
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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #12 on: 30 Mar 2011, 13:16 »
I watched the video clip of the 'device', and was unimpressed. (In fact I was tempted to use a much less flattering word.) In a small, eminently scullable boat, the gent in question was doing less than half the boat speed he would have achieved if he'd taken the time and trouble do learn to scull properly, with no more effort and much more elegantly than his clunkety clunk progress.

There's a strange mystique around sculling, I suppose because few people do it these days. It isn't difficult. It's a knack, like riding a bike, rowing effectively etc. Some people find it easier than others (remember those first attempts on a bike, and your friends got the hang of it quicker than you did? - mine did, anyway). It needs practice and perseverance at first, until you do it without thinking about it. In my mid teens, staying with a friend who lived in Gorran Haven (Cornwall), we messed about in an old, heavy clinker-built rowing boat, and by the end of the fortnight we could get up a fair turn of speed sculling, and manoeuvre round and past other craft. The final laugh may be on me, but I hope that it will come back to me, as bike riding does even after years. I hope that my 12 ft Trouper, once built, will be scullable with an 8 ft oar. It should work, says he ever the optimist.

A yuloh is a long sculling oar as refined for bigger boats by those clever Chinese (remember, this is your resident junk rig freak speaking). This is one area of human activity where size really does matter. Simon mentioned the length a yuloh needs to be, and I think this is the biggest obstacle. Plus you guys with (relatively) big boats have more to move: and you further complicate things with your mizen masts and suchlike. The 'tenders' (I don't know what they called them- certainly not that!) of Thames barges were about 15 ft, sculled with an oar which was probably 12 ft long. So, unless you can stow a really long yuloh aboard, or think of a way to make it sectional and still strong enough in the loom, it's back to discussing the relative merits of electric or ICE outboards.

However, if you get the chance to scull, do try it and persevere with getting the knack. It's fun, and potentially useful.

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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #13 on: 30 Mar 2011, 17:09 »
Michael,

I have just returned from the timber yard with some Douglas Fir ready for lamination and hope to build an oar that will follow the curve of the hull so that it can be stowed away when not in use.  I plan to start building when it stops raining.

As to being a junk rig freak, thats two of us then!  I like the idea of a carbon unstayed mast on a Bay raider with additional power supplied by Yuloh and/or pedal power.

best wishes
Simon
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Re: Chinese Yuloh
« Reply #14 on: 01 Apr 2011, 23:42 »
Simon

A long oar curved for stowage is a brilliant idea. I guess that getting the blade in the right plane for yulohing (now there's a word) will be important - presumably the flat of the blade in the same plane as the curve? Let us all know how you get on.

Re unstayed carbon masts, I've just got a CF tube to make a new mast for Cadenza (should have been two - one for the new Trouper once built - but one got damaged in transit and has had to go back). Amazing stuff, and I reckon less than a third of the weight of the aluminium one, which was actually seriously over-engineered for my purposes. CF doesn't half blunt a saw when you cut it. I'm looking forward to getting the new mast into action.

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