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General Discussion / Poll: future boat use
« Last Post by Graham W on 18 Apr 2024, 10:11 »
Following hard on the heels of the poll on boat use last year, here's a poll on sailing intentions for 2024.

This poll will stay open for a month.  You need to log in to the forum on the second line from the top (not the website top right) in order to cast your vote.
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We looking to sell our Baycruiser after many wonderful adventures – she is in excellent condition (Swallow used her at the Southampton Boatshow in 2019), having been stored in a barn each winter since new – and comes with many extras. See attached pdf for more information.
Contact karen.rickards@gmail.com
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General Discussion / Poll: boat use
« Last Post by Graham W on 17 Apr 2024, 18:41 »
If you look at the swisher marinas, some of the average white boats there hardly go out at all.  They are sometimes used as an immobile platform for sipping G&T’s but that’s about it.

I suspect that owners of smaller boats like ours see more use, especially if they are trailered to raids and new sailing areas.  This poll, which will stay open for a month, may prove that point.

You need to log in to the forum on the second line from the top (not the website top right) in order to cast your vote.
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Technical / Re: Outboard well lamellae detail?
« Last Post by Graham W on 17 Apr 2024, 18:21 »
Mark,

When relatively new, the lamellae work quite well but after a few years of use they tend to degrade.  Quite a few owners have replaced theirs with various types of removable infills, as discussed and illustrated in this thread https://www.swallowyachtsassociation.org/smf/index.php/topic,843.0.html.  The very last post in the thread has a pdf attached which shows pristine-looking lamellae and which may help you with your quest.
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Technical / Outboard well lamellae detail?
« Last Post by MrBarnstormer on 17 Apr 2024, 16:24 »
Hi all,

An interloper here, I sail a Shrimper (ouch!) but recently enjoyed a fabulous day sailing with Devon/California Bay Raider 20 sailer Mark Darley out in Marin County.

I admired the outboard well fairing lamellae system and hope to arrange similar system for the gaping hole in my Shrimer outboard well. Mark’s now in transit back to the U.K. so can’t answer my follow up questions for a while. Perhaps someone can help please?

I understand the material is a double lamination of 75mm wide Hawk Slit Strip perhaps bonded with Sikaflex to hold the two layers of the fingers together.

I noted the flaps are framed and secured outside of the boat for full and free deployment of the outboard, I’m hoping to arrange similar frames inside the well (easier to fit and making extraction easier than deployment).

I was wondering if anyone can advise the overlap of the flaps which from memory is about 1/2inch or 20mm? I’m not sure the floating corners are radiused on their outer trailing tip, just cut at a right angle? Therefore prone to tip damage perhaps?

Any thoughts or advice on the system would be most appreciated.

Dimensioned well photo attached.

Many thanks,

Mark



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For Sale and Wanted / Wanted: US based Swallow Yachts for sale
« Last Post by Bill Boehnke on 17 Apr 2024, 00:47 »
Looking for United States based Swallow Yachts for sale, Bay Raider Expedition / Bay Cruiser 23.
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Roger, I was tempted to cut off the top of the track and realign the masthead block too, but this was unnecessary when other sources of friction were removed. For example outhaul, reefing lines, downhauls and Cunningham all need to be well slackened off.

The main halyard is at a 45 degree angle when fully hoisted when the lower hole in the headboard is used. Also make sure the halyard is not crossed over the track and is on the same side as the sheave when hoisting.

It helps to have the boom elevated with the lazyjacks when hoisting the main.

It looks as if the top of your mast has been replaced. Is this indicative of previous stress if friction has not been reduced ?

It should not be necessary to use the winch to hoist the main.

Can you also try topping or tailing the halyard, or reverse it upside down, to lose the frayed section, before incurring unnecessary expense ?

Kind regards, Andrew

Yes, All of the above!
However, it never occurred to me to use the lower headboard hole (if there was one?). I did resort to mechanically "fairing/easing" its sharp angry aluminim edges. No other mods.
Never needed to winch. My only issue was damaging the halyard.
Main always went up/down easily, once track was cleaned n lubed.
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I find Camcleat power grip cleats are excellent for sweating up smaller D, hard ropes like the BRe main halyard.

You can occasionally  find them as low as £8. If you are like me, I suggest buying two!

https://www.clamcleat.com/power-grip-1.html

If you need to get a grip on larger diameter strings, don’t be tempted to buy one of these substantially more expensive French alternatives https://www.force4.co.uk/item/Karver/Jaws-Handle-Grey/JBN.  I had one that snapped in two under not very much tension at all.  I got my money back from Karver under guarantee, although not before being treated like some sort of malicious fraudster.
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Roger, I was tempted to cut off the top of the track and realign the masthead block too, but this was unnecessary when other sources of friction were removed. For example outhaul, reefing lines, downhauls and Cunningham all need to be well slackened off.

The main halyard is at a 45 degree angle when fully hoisted when the lower hole in the headboard is used. Also make sure the halyard is not crossed over the track and is on the same side as the sheave when hoisting.

It helps to have the boom elevated with the lazyjacks when hoisting the main.

It looks as if the top of your mast has been replaced. Is this indicative of previous stress if friction has not been reduced ?

It should not be necessary to use the winch to hoist the main.

Can you also try topping or tailing the halyard, or reverse it upside down, to lose the frayed section, before incurring unnecessary expense ?

Kind regards, Andrew
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Thanks everyone for your very helpful replies.

I’ve modified the topic so it describes the real issue that I’m trying to solve - why is my BRe mainsail so difficult to hoist when other owners report that it is an easy task?!

I’ve been working through the possible causes..
Spinlock clutch- works well
Deck blocks - all working well
Track - now carefully cleaned and lubricated with Sailkote Mclube - will see if that helps.
Halyard - badly worn near masthead end and seems too big for the masthead block - replace with smaller line? And possibly dyeema?!
Headboard- is metal but  I’ve been using the higher of the two attachment points so will try the lower one per Andrew’s advice.
The masthead block - position alongside the track seems strange to me but Andrew’s is the same although his block is different see pics of mine. May change the block, move its position, cut off the top part of the track.

Will report on progress.

Thanks again for your comment’s more very welcome!

Roger
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