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For Sale and Wanted / Re: Wanted: US based Swallow Yachts for sale
« Last Post by MarkDarley on 19 Apr 2024, 22:31 »Bill, I could ship you over my epoxy ply Bayraider 20 from the UK if you like. I have shipped two boats to California.
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General Discussion / Re: Poll: boat use
« Last Post by frwright on 19 Apr 2024, 18:34 »I'm an admirer of the Bay Raiders, but the cost remains out of my league. I'm a US sailor sailing a 19ft Mariner sloop that normally sits on a lift over the water. I have a trailer, and have trailered to other waters for 2-5 days.
Last year, I lost the Spring and early Summer to motor troubles - I couldn't get my Honda 5hp to start anymore. Bit the bullet, and bought an Epropulsion Spirit. Which I had done that a LOT sooner. I actually enjoy motoring now, almost as much as I do sailing. Gliding silently around back creeks is rather special.
Came down with poly mylagic rheumatica in October which ruined fall and winter sailing for me. With the weakness and lack of mobility under control now, hope to get in a lot more sailing in 2024.
Fred W
Stuart Mariner 19 #4133 Sweet P
Yeopim Creek, Albemarle Sound, North Carolina
Last year, I lost the Spring and early Summer to motor troubles - I couldn't get my Honda 5hp to start anymore. Bit the bullet, and bought an Epropulsion Spirit. Which I had done that a LOT sooner. I actually enjoy motoring now, almost as much as I do sailing. Gliding silently around back creeks is rather special.
Came down with poly mylagic rheumatica in October which ruined fall and winter sailing for me. With the weakness and lack of mobility under control now, hope to get in a lot more sailing in 2024.
Fred W
Stuart Mariner 19 #4133 Sweet P
Yeopim Creek, Albemarle Sound, North Carolina
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For Sale and Wanted / Boat Bits n Bobs... SALE "De-Clutter". Cornwall, BR, BRe. Anchors, spinni, pole
« Last Post by Sea Simon on 19 Apr 2024, 15:28 »I'm being pressurised by my wife to part with some of my small-boat related treasures (space required for grandchildrens junk/plastic tat!).
Trying to avoid posting as far as possible, as some awkward stuff. See below.
So, before I drag it all out, for photos etc and subject myself to bleddy EBay...
That in mind, some bigger items easily picked/dropped on way to/from Mylor raid in July? We could maybe meet on the A30 in mid Cornwall maybe (e.g. if you are towing) for cost of mileage? Regret, I'm not attending due to other events.
1. Symmetric (NOT asymmetric) spinnaker to suit BR/BRE, or similar.
Very good secondhand, ex Hornet dinghy (About 12/13 m2 I believe?) Spinni. North. Little used. VGC. Pink/white. Dry, crisp. Stuff sack. £125?
2. A self made (D25MM L APPX 1.7M) carbon fibre pole with Holt trigger beak ends. Used to get Bay Raider dead down wind (B Raider also had assym). Very light and stiff, so easily used. Has dyneema bridle fitted.
This SYMMETRIC setup is amazingingly useful on longer downwind coastal passages, "Open" raids/races or cans racing. As it is smaller than a BRE assim, use will not affect handicap. I had both on my BRe.
Proper weapon on windward-leeward courses. Can cruise single handed, but needs crew to race.
Pole also excellent for other sails. Can pole out jib. V light, v stiff.
Flown off std spinni halyard, I added a simple Holt "composite" double eye (appx £15) to the mast, very easily, to clip the carbon pole in to.
Sheeted back to blocks on aft cleats. Used assim sheets/blocks.
VERY effective, and surprisingly easy to use. Did so single handed, regularly, but crew a must-have to race/raid...£150?
3. Rocna anchor, 6kg. Little used. VGC. £140. Have now brought a bigger 10kg one for BC26 as am overnighting with family, but 6kg a perfect size for safe secure overnighting a BR. Fits side lockers, and easily handled. Galvanised. Also rated for a BC23.
4. Lewmar Delta anchor, 6kg, little used, VGC. Came with my bigger boat, and perhaps too small for BC26, imho... £60. Galvanised. Rated for a BC23.
5. HONWAVE 2M inflatable dinghy. 2 man. Oars. Solid transom, slatted floor type. Ideal For BR/e Fits in cabin or side lockers, and whilst still fully inflated it can be lifted into the BRe cockpit, and stored under the overall cover.
Brought specifically for this. Left on boat, on mooring in high summer. Good condition, a couple of small neat repairs. Has held air over-winter in my shed. Mostly used for accessing beaches etc from anchored boat where unable to beach the BRe (I have a hard tender for regular access to mooring)...£250?
6. Mk 2 VW Tiguan TOWBAR. (4×4 Diesel auto) car was 2018 I think? Whitter towbar (electrics not for sale here!) £100?
7. And MK 2 Tiguan Thule aero roof rack 2 bar set £100?
8. MK5 VW Golf Thule roof bars, as above £100?
Lots of miscellaneous small gear, ropes/warps etc... (more easily posted) which I will fully detail once marshalled.
Lots of VW Golf GTi bits too, but that's another forum!
Any interest?
Collection possible pretty much anytime from Fowey area.
Trying to avoid posting as far as possible, as some awkward stuff. See below.
So, before I drag it all out, for photos etc and subject myself to bleddy EBay...
That in mind, some bigger items easily picked/dropped on way to/from Mylor raid in July? We could maybe meet on the A30 in mid Cornwall maybe (e.g. if you are towing) for cost of mileage? Regret, I'm not attending due to other events.
1. Symmetric (NOT asymmetric) spinnaker to suit BR/BRE, or similar.
Very good secondhand, ex Hornet dinghy (About 12/13 m2 I believe?) Spinni. North. Little used. VGC. Pink/white. Dry, crisp. Stuff sack. £125?
2. A self made (D25MM L APPX 1.7M) carbon fibre pole with Holt trigger beak ends. Used to get Bay Raider dead down wind (B Raider also had assym). Very light and stiff, so easily used. Has dyneema bridle fitted.
This SYMMETRIC setup is amazingingly useful on longer downwind coastal passages, "Open" raids/races or cans racing. As it is smaller than a BRE assim, use will not affect handicap. I had both on my BRe.
Proper weapon on windward-leeward courses. Can cruise single handed, but needs crew to race.
Pole also excellent for other sails. Can pole out jib. V light, v stiff.
Flown off std spinni halyard, I added a simple Holt "composite" double eye (appx £15) to the mast, very easily, to clip the carbon pole in to.
Sheeted back to blocks on aft cleats. Used assim sheets/blocks.
VERY effective, and surprisingly easy to use. Did so single handed, regularly, but crew a must-have to race/raid...£150?
3. Rocna anchor, 6kg. Little used. VGC. £140. Have now brought a bigger 10kg one for BC26 as am overnighting with family, but 6kg a perfect size for safe secure overnighting a BR. Fits side lockers, and easily handled. Galvanised. Also rated for a BC23.
4. Lewmar Delta anchor, 6kg, little used, VGC. Came with my bigger boat, and perhaps too small for BC26, imho... £60. Galvanised. Rated for a BC23.
5. HONWAVE 2M inflatable dinghy. 2 man. Oars. Solid transom, slatted floor type. Ideal For BR/e Fits in cabin or side lockers, and whilst still fully inflated it can be lifted into the BRe cockpit, and stored under the overall cover.
Brought specifically for this. Left on boat, on mooring in high summer. Good condition, a couple of small neat repairs. Has held air over-winter in my shed. Mostly used for accessing beaches etc from anchored boat where unable to beach the BRe (I have a hard tender for regular access to mooring)...£250?
6. Mk 2 VW Tiguan TOWBAR. (4×4 Diesel auto) car was 2018 I think? Whitter towbar (electrics not for sale here!) £100?
7. And MK 2 Tiguan Thule aero roof rack 2 bar set £100?
8. MK5 VW Golf Thule roof bars, as above £100?
Lots of miscellaneous small gear, ropes/warps etc... (more easily posted) which I will fully detail once marshalled.
Lots of VW Golf GTi bits too, but that's another forum!
Any interest?
Collection possible pretty much anytime from Fowey area.
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General Discussion / Poll: future boat use
« Last Post by Graham W on 18 Apr 2024, 10:11 »Following hard on the heels of the poll on boat use last year, here's a poll on sailing intentions for 2024.
This poll will stay open for a month. You need to log in to the forum on the second line from the top (not the website top right) in order to cast your vote.
This poll will stay open for a month. You need to log in to the forum on the second line from the top (not the website top right) in order to cast your vote.
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For Sale and Wanted / Enchantress – Baycruiser 23 – launched June 2017 – for sale
« Last Post by Julian and Karen on 17 Apr 2024, 20:54 »We looking to sell our Baycruiser after many wonderful adventures – she is in excellent condition (Swallow used her at the Southampton Boatshow in 2019), having been stored in a barn each winter since new – and comes with many extras. See attached pdf for more information.
Contact karen.rickards@gmail.com
Contact karen.rickards@gmail.com
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General Discussion / Poll: boat use
« Last Post by Graham W on 17 Apr 2024, 18:41 »If you look at the swisher marinas, some of the average white boats there hardly go out at all. They are sometimes used as an immobile platform for sipping G&T’s but that’s about it.
I suspect that owners of smaller boats like ours see more use, especially if they are trailered to raids and new sailing areas. This poll, which will stay open for a month, may prove that point.
You need to log in to the forum on the second line from the top (not the website top right) in order to cast your vote.
I suspect that owners of smaller boats like ours see more use, especially if they are trailered to raids and new sailing areas. This poll, which will stay open for a month, may prove that point.
You need to log in to the forum on the second line from the top (not the website top right) in order to cast your vote.
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Technical / Re: Outboard well lamellae detail?
« Last Post by Graham W on 17 Apr 2024, 18:21 »Mark,
When relatively new, the lamellae work quite well but after a few years of use they tend to degrade. Quite a few owners have replaced theirs with various types of removable infills, as discussed and illustrated in this thread https://www.swallowyachtsassociation.org/smf/index.php/topic,843.0.html. The very last post in the thread has a pdf attached which shows pristine-looking lamellae and which may help you with your quest.
When relatively new, the lamellae work quite well but after a few years of use they tend to degrade. Quite a few owners have replaced theirs with various types of removable infills, as discussed and illustrated in this thread https://www.swallowyachtsassociation.org/smf/index.php/topic,843.0.html. The very last post in the thread has a pdf attached which shows pristine-looking lamellae and which may help you with your quest.
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Technical / Outboard well lamellae detail?
« Last Post by MrBarnstormer on 17 Apr 2024, 16:24 »Hi all,
An interloper here, I sail a Shrimper (ouch!) but recently enjoyed a fabulous day sailing with Devon/California Bay Raider 20 sailer Mark Darley out in Marin County.
I admired the outboard well fairing lamellae system and hope to arrange similar system for the gaping hole in my Shrimer outboard well. Mark’s now in transit back to the U.K. so can’t answer my follow up questions for a while. Perhaps someone can help please?
I understand the material is a double lamination of 75mm wide Hawk Slit Strip perhaps bonded with Sikaflex to hold the two layers of the fingers together.
I noted the flaps are framed and secured outside of the boat for full and free deployment of the outboard, I’m hoping to arrange similar frames inside the well (easier to fit and making extraction easier than deployment).
I was wondering if anyone can advise the overlap of the flaps which from memory is about 1/2inch or 20mm? I’m not sure the floating corners are radiused on their outer trailing tip, just cut at a right angle? Therefore prone to tip damage perhaps?
Any thoughts or advice on the system would be most appreciated.
Dimensioned well photo attached.
Many thanks,
Mark
An interloper here, I sail a Shrimper (ouch!) but recently enjoyed a fabulous day sailing with Devon/California Bay Raider 20 sailer Mark Darley out in Marin County.
I admired the outboard well fairing lamellae system and hope to arrange similar system for the gaping hole in my Shrimer outboard well. Mark’s now in transit back to the U.K. so can’t answer my follow up questions for a while. Perhaps someone can help please?
I understand the material is a double lamination of 75mm wide Hawk Slit Strip perhaps bonded with Sikaflex to hold the two layers of the fingers together.
I noted the flaps are framed and secured outside of the boat for full and free deployment of the outboard, I’m hoping to arrange similar frames inside the well (easier to fit and making extraction easier than deployment).
I was wondering if anyone can advise the overlap of the flaps which from memory is about 1/2inch or 20mm? I’m not sure the floating corners are radiused on their outer trailing tip, just cut at a right angle? Therefore prone to tip damage perhaps?
Any thoughts or advice on the system would be most appreciated.
Dimensioned well photo attached.
Many thanks,
Mark
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For Sale and Wanted / Wanted: US based Swallow Yachts for sale
« Last Post by Bill Boehnke on 17 Apr 2024, 00:47 »Looking for United States based Swallow Yachts for sale, Bay Raider Expedition / Bay Cruiser 23.
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Technical / Re: BRe rope specifications - mainsail hoisting issues
« Last Post by Sea Simon on 16 Apr 2024, 12:53 »Roger, I was tempted to cut off the top of the track and realign the masthead block too, but this was unnecessary when other sources of friction were removed. For example outhaul, reefing lines, downhauls and Cunningham all need to be well slackened off.
The main halyard is at a 45 degree angle when fully hoisted when the lower hole in the headboard is used. Also make sure the halyard is not crossed over the track and is on the same side as the sheave when hoisting.
It helps to have the boom elevated with the lazyjacks when hoisting the main.
It looks as if the top of your mast has been replaced. Is this indicative of previous stress if friction has not been reduced ?
It should not be necessary to use the winch to hoist the main.
Can you also try topping or tailing the halyard, or reverse it upside down, to lose the frayed section, before incurring unnecessary expense ?
Kind regards, Andrew
Yes, All of the above!
However, it never occurred to me to use the lower headboard hole (if there was one?). I did resort to mechanically "fairing/easing" its sharp angry aluminim edges. No other mods.
Never needed to winch. My only issue was damaging the halyard.
Main always went up/down easily, once track was cleaned n lubed.