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Sea Simon

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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians
« Reply #90 on: 23 Mar 2022, 09:48 »
With kleptoyacht Solaris tucked up alongside a cruise liner berth in Bodrum, kleptoyacht Eclipse has now moored against similar facilities a few bays to the south in Marmaris. 

Longer term, these vessels will not be able to earn their keep by chartering out in traditional areas like the West Indies and the Med (Libya anyone?) and paying for their huge crews will be increasingly problematic.  Insurance may be unobtainable.  And they will not be able to get spares to maintain their huge engines, electronics and other vital systems.  Obtaining fuel will eventually become the least of their problems.

Interesting that these two sister yachts have to some degree split up. Much harder to coordinate arrest/detention at two locations simultaneously.

I think you are right GW, in that fuel will (hopefully) soon be the least of their worries.
Insurance (if indeed they are insured) will likely be thru London.
I doubt that there is much Russian machinery/equipment onboard, hence spares should become an issue.

As to crews, they can cut the numbers of hotel staff quickly and easily, while retaining only the marine core-crew...and if you can truly "afford" these sorts of toys, then a few months wages doesn't really amount to much!

Bear in mind the headline figures for costs that we see are very much the tip of the iceberg (rather like some of us might tell our wives about our "yachting" expenses?)
I have a pal who is a Chief Engineer on these sorts of things; he once told me that they had an orginal Picasso, and a Matisse onboard his yacht. So, interiors and "objet"worth several more tens of millions....and then there is the vault.
Apparently millions of pounds worth of watches and jewelry...and other "investments".
BRe # 52 - "Two Sisters"  2016. Plank sprit, conventional jib. Asym spinn. Coppercoat. Honda 5. SOLD Nov 2022....
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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians
« Reply #91 on: 23 Mar 2022, 10:17 »

Insurance (if indeed they are insured) will likely be thru London.

Yes, it was London.  I suspect that sabotage may become an increasing risk, judging by Solaris's reception in Bodrum yesterday and in Barcelona previously.  Of course they have exceptional security but that also costs lots of money.

....and then there is the vault.
Apparently millions of pounds worth of watches and jewelry...and other "investments".

And in some cases industrial quantities of recreational drugs.
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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians...
« Reply #92 on: 29 Mar 2022, 09:20 »
Peace broker?
Well, It's now clear why these yachts are in Turkey!
BRe # 52 - "Two Sisters"  2016. Plank sprit, conventional jib. Asym spinn. Coppercoat. Honda 5. SOLD Nov 2022....
...From Oct 22.
BC 26 #1001. "Two Sisters 2", 2013. Alloy spars, Bermudan Sloop; fixed twin spade rudders, Beta diesel saildrive. Lift keel with lead bulb. Coppercoat. Cornwall UK.

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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians
« Reply #93 on: 30 Mar 2022, 08:25 »
Abramovich allegedly has eight vessels of varying sizes in his fleet, some of which may be large launches.  The Financial Times this morning claims to have uncovered a third large vessel, the Bermudan-flagged support tug ‘Garçon’ (below, showing where some of the rest of the fleet may be stowed).  The original title of this thread was odd-looking boats and it certainly qualifies as one of those.  It is currently stuck in Antigua,  having apparently been left behind when ‘Eclipse’ fled the West Indies in February.  It is under threat of seizure by Antigua’s government.

As Simon mentions above, Abramovich is currently trying to make himself useful by acting as a go-between in the Ukraine peace talks in Turkey.  Given the almost total lack of trust in anything that the Putin regime says, it remains to be seen whether this will do his reputation much good.  However, the US has so far held off from sanctioning him.
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Re: Odd-looking boats..the Axe Bow, or X-Bow
« Reply #94 on: 30 Mar 2022, 19:01 »
Odd looking bow, but technically/scientifically proven to have very effective sea keeping properties, and consequently to improve crew comfort and economy/emissions.
Very popular design feature for the latest offshore supply/support boats, work boats etc.

Google Axe bow, or X-Bow offshore for info...

This article gives a very readable explanation, focussed on yachts rather than commercial offshore.
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/10489610/axe-bow-damens-sea-axe-amels

On this craft, the fore mast (pressumably a requirement for COLREGS?) Rather spoils the look, imo.


Practical, unlike the very odd looking "Sailing Vessel A", as but one example!
BRe # 52 - "Two Sisters"  2016. Plank sprit, conventional jib. Asym spinn. Coppercoat. Honda 5. SOLD Nov 2022....
...From Oct 22.
BC 26 #1001. "Two Sisters 2", 2013. Alloy spars, Bermudan Sloop; fixed twin spade rudders, Beta diesel saildrive. Lift keel with lead bulb. Coppercoat. Cornwall UK.

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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians
« Reply #95 on: 02 Apr 2022, 10:17 »
The FT weekend edition may have tracked down another three kleptoyachts in Abramovich’s fleet of eight (photos below):

Halo, which like the support tug Garçon is languishing in Antigua and under threat of seizure by the island’s government.

Sussurro, which is in La Ciotat in France, probably in the dockyard there.  It was claimed to have been given to one of Abramovich’s ex-wives but this appears not to have happened and he may still own it, in which case it’s toast.

Le Grand Bleu, which Abramovich allegedly gifted to an associate, as one does.  Despite this gift, beneficial ownership appears to lie with Abramovich’s current (for the time being) wife.  Anyway, the associate has also now been sanctioned.   Le Grand Bleu left Puerto Rico a few days ago and has swiched off its AIS.

I’m surprised that Prince Andrew hasn’t yet made a guest appearance in all of this.
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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians
« Reply #96 on: 09 Apr 2022, 18:05 »
Three of Abramovich’s fleet may not yet have been identified in the newspapers - they’re still talking about there being “only” five.  Meanwhile, Solaris has been forced to leave by the nervous owner of the Turkish marina in Bodrum - it’s now at anchor in a bay around the corner.  And Abramovich is trying to borrow money from oligarchs who have not yet been sanctioned in order to keep paying the salaries of his various crews.

Kleptoyachts that have been seized are causing headaches for the authorities.  The Italian Government is having difficulty insuring Sailing Yacht A and it’s not clear who is now responsible for huge marina and maintenance fees of vessels seized in France.
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Re: Odd-looking boats A-Yachts
« Reply #97 on: 10 Apr 2022, 08:19 »
Let's hope we've "detained" or arrested this thing, not "seized" it..... it's going to be difficult (and expensive!) to move it on secondhand!

The "expenses" situation you mention GW, is common enough, and would have been widely anticipated by marine lawyers...if only for the additional litigation to come!

Ultimately, I've seen several marine "basket cases" where the owners just walked away, as liabilities plus costs of obtaining release exceeds vessel value. Ultimately the tax payer pays...

Not saying that's the case here....but.. perhaps slightly "on topic" the value of the various types of "unique craft" on this post must be "variable" to say the least?

Let's hope tax payers don't get stung for all this too?
BRe # 52 - "Two Sisters"  2016. Plank sprit, conventional jib. Asym spinn. Coppercoat. Honda 5. SOLD Nov 2022....
...From Oct 22.
BC 26 #1001. "Two Sisters 2", 2013. Alloy spars, Bermudan Sloop; fixed twin spade rudders, Beta diesel saildrive. Lift keel with lead bulb. Coppercoat. Cornwall UK.

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Re: Odd-looking boats
« Reply #98 on: 13 Apr 2022, 19:31 »
This (below) popped up in my list of free downloadable magazines on my library app.  The cover photo is of a Playcraft Powertoon with twin 450hp engines, which can be had for US$270k.  It reminds me of the utilitarian craft used to ferry sheep between the islands of Scotland.  Except that this one has a claimed top speed of over 65 knots.
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Re: Odd-looking boats in bad weather
« Reply #99 on: 15 Apr 2022, 08:36 »
Ever since the Belgrano, it’s been considered bad form to celebrate the sinking of a hostile warship.  And we may never know (although we can suspect) what caused the fatal damage to the Russian Black Sea flagship Moskva - a Ukrainian cruise missile or a self-inflicted fire on board that set off munitions.  Perhaps it was some of both.

What doesn’t ring true is the part of the story that involves the weather.  It was claimed by the Russians that “stormy seas” initially prevented rescue efforts of the 500+ crew and in addition sank the Moskva when she was allegedly under tow on her way back to Sevastopol for repairs.  Historical wind speed and wave height for a particular sea area are a matter of record and can be found on several websites.  So unless there was a freak occurrence in the area off Odesa and Sevastopol at the time, the wind stayed at a fairly constant F3 or less and waves never exceeded two metres in height.  I’m surprised that this morning’s papers haven’t performed this simple reality check.
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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians
« Reply #100 on: 27 Apr 2022, 20:23 »
Abramovich must have access to cash from somewhere.  Yesterday his largest kleptoyacht, Eclipse, moved from Marmaris to anchor off Göcek, a short distance to the South.  Before doing so, according to the Turkish press, he had the fuel tanks filled up at a cost of £1.6m.  I had to check that this was physically possible - apparently Eclipse can hold 1 million litres of fuel.
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Re: Odd-looking boats
« Reply #101 on: 27 Apr 2022, 22:33 »
1M litres = 1000m3. So maybe 800 T ish...seems reasonable, given the size of the kleptoyacht, and it's likely fuel consumption?

As to how it's paid for.....
BRe # 52 - "Two Sisters"  2016. Plank sprit, conventional jib. Asym spinn. Coppercoat. Honda 5. SOLD Nov 2022....
...From Oct 22.
BC 26 #1001. "Two Sisters 2", 2013. Alloy spars, Bermudan Sloop; fixed twin spade rudders, Beta diesel saildrive. Lift keel with lead bulb. Coppercoat. Cornwall UK.

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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians
« Reply #102 on: 28 Apr 2022, 14:35 »
If Eclipse ‘only’ took 800,000 litres of fuel in Marmaris, given that it had motored all the way from the West Indies without officially refuelling, then it looks like it may have partially refuelled on the sly somewhere along the way.  The most likely time for this would have been when it went dark for three days last month off the coast of Libya while on its voyage eastwards.  Either that or Abramovich couldn’t afford full tanks.
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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians
« Reply #103 on: 28 Apr 2022, 14:57 »
Either that or Abramovich couldn’t afford full tanks.

Ah poor man.  Maybe we should club together and buy him a Swallow.  With a 2 1/2 hp Suzuki.

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Re: Odd-looking boats and dodgy Russians
« Reply #104 on: 28 Apr 2022, 15:34 »
As a tender to a tender to a support vessel to Eclipse?  The anti-missile systems might be a bit of a tight squeeze but I’m sure that he’d have more fun.
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