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Craic

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Carbon fibre mast
« on: 09 May 2008, 09:27 »
In the Dorestad Raid in the Netherlands last year there were several local raid specialist boats with carbon fibre masts. We soon learned why.: The Raid went through under dozens of low bridges, the lighter weight masts had a distinct advantage at handling the unstepping and stepping of the mast.

Over the winter we retrofitted a carbon mast on the SeaRaider, made from an untapered carbon fibre pipe of 80 mm outer diameter x 3mm wall thickness. (The 3mm wall thickness is on the cautious side, I would choose 2 - 2.5 mm today.)

There are wooden plugs inserted at the top and at the foot of the mast.

The new mast is a good bit lighter even than the old lightweight hollow timber mast. Stepping it is a lot easier and we found the boat also got an even stiffer feel when sailing well heeled.
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Michael Rogers

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Re: Carbon fibre mast
« Reply #1 on: 13 May 2008, 00:33 »
I am very interested, Claus. My Storm Petrel is somewhat tippy, and has a solid, quite heavy wooden mast (the gaff, in contrast, seems surprisingly light in comparison, presumably because it is much slenderer). I have wondered whether a lighter mast might help. Questions - 1) where does one get carbon fibre pipes from (I would be after 65cm diam)? 2) What sorts of costs are involved? 3) wooden plugs top and bottom are fine, but how does one attach such things as gooseneck and cleats to a hollow spar with 3mm wall thickness?

Paul Cross

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Re: Carbon fibre mast
« Reply #2 on: 13 May 2008, 17:57 »
I've had Carbon tubes from these guys before

http://www.carbonology.com

I only used them for custom tiller extensions but they were very helpful and they supply materials for hi tech dinghy sailing (foiling moths  :o etc)

Michael Rogers

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Re: Carbon fibre mast
« Reply #3 on: 13 May 2008, 20:50 »
Thanks for the useful link, Paul. However, their prices give me some idea of what I would be in for, and I think I will have to pass on this one! Which is a relief in a way (other than financial) because I am a traditionalist at heart.

However, I was thinking in this box because of boat-tippiness, and I am probably being simplistic in assuming that a much lighter mast would make a significant difference. Are we talking "heeling moment" here? Would any of you much-more-technological-than- I-am sailors care to comment in language appropriate for a bear of little brain to understand? (There's a challenge!)

Craic

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Re: Carbon fibre mast
« Reply #4 on: 14 May 2008, 21:45 »
Michael,
I got the CF pipes from the Netherlands, through a befriended boatbuilder. I heard the manufacturer does 'trade only'.

Matt Newland has the contact, maybe he can quote you.

I think Matt has started selling CF masts as an option. The great advantage of CF masts is weight and .... buoyancy. Through their reduced weight they increase the AVS (Angle of Vanishing Stability) i.e. that heeling angle from which the boat would fall down flat on the water with its mast instead of self-right itself.

Then, the hollow CF mast has greater net buoyancy which would prevent the boat from going 180 degrees turtle after a knockdown.
Not that capsizing should be a constant concern, already the standard BR and SR with their wooden masts are far more stable ande safer than any other peer size boat on the market, bur it can be noted that a CF masts adds further AVS.

CF mast costs: CF is a hot item, demand far outshining supply, since they started to build planes and naval vessels from it.

However, there may be a fairly cheap alternative for you, if you would consider a standard windsurfer mast on your Storm Petrel, they are comparatively inexpensive because they have become such a commodity. There will also be a Winsurfer Shop near where you live.

The trick for you would be to look for a very long and high carbon content windsurfer mast (not slimline profile, standard diameter!) with a high IMCS ( Rigidity Index; >= 32). If you shorten a long high IMCS mast, you get the strongest and stiffest possible (windsurfer) spar.

To fasten screws in 3 mm wall thickness is still absolutely fine, only I use the inside of the wooden plugs to give the main screws for the clamps even better grip.   
For wall thicknesses below 3 mm, I heard they use a drop of epoxy resin on the thread of the screw to fasten it firmly.

Good luck.
C.