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Jonathan Stuart:
Another new boat from SY - a BayCruiser 21. Although actually 20' long and almost identical in length to the BRe, so presumably the name is to differentiate it from the BC20. Described as (summarised from SY website):

"The idea behind the design was to improve on the Bay Raider expedition ... It was essential we did not lose the character or features of the original, making only improvements, in certain key areas:

A longer waterline length, with slightly more sail area in a more efficient sail plan.
Fully self-draining cockpit, with or without the water ballast.
Side decks you can walk on.
A better view over the cabin roof.
The cabin bunks have been redesigned so that you step down into a footwell between the heads of the two bunks.
Dedicated space for a chemical toilet in the cabin."

Unlike the BRe & BC20, there's no mizzen.

https://swallowyachts.com/bay-cruiser-21-a-small-boat-with-big-ideas/

Tony:
 Better looking than the BRe  with a nod to the  Cardigan Bay Lugger. I'd miss the mizzen - jib and mizzen always handy in a blow but I expect the  BC21 would sail rings around my CBL "Four Sisters". (Except downwind when only a spinnaker beats  a big lugsail.)

Nigel Baker:
The new Bay Cruiser 21 looks superb. I sold my 11 year old Cornish Crabber 22 in July and have been wondering what my next boat will be, and this could well be the answer. The Crabber 22 was a lovely boat but the mast took three people to put up and take down, the rig was heavy and the gaff sail always a pain to furl. I have looked at the Bay Cruiser 23 but thought her a bit big, and with the BRE I had concerns about safe access to the foredeck, anchoring on a swinging mooring, and access to what was a very small cabin. I always liked the look of the old Bay Cruiser 20 but they were very expensive due to their build. The new boat seems to have taken many of the good points about the Bay Cruiser and combined them with the many good points of the BRE. Matt looks to have done an excellent job and as soon as one is available to look at I will be heading up to Wales with the intention of ordering one.

Graham W:
Here (attached) are some comparisons of the BRe specifications against the provisional ones for the BC21.

The most significant differences are in weight and sail area, then beam and centreboard length.  The ballast tank(s) on the BC21 must be considerably bigger, perhaps accommodated by having a higher cockpit sole and seating, allowing a better view over the cabin roof.  It looks like the boom is attached a bit higher up the mast, giving more headroom.

Excluding the bowsprit (fixed on the BRe?), differences in length between the two boats are negligible.

I'd miss the mizzen too.

Sea Simon:
Thanks GW.

It will be fascinating to see how these numbers ultimately affect sailing performance, boat on boat.

Any prices yet?

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