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[Peter Ivermee]

Hi Claus,
I do appreciate all your contributions to the forum.
Im due to collect my Bay Raider in a week or two and am considering a Johnson outboard.  Is a 2.5hp really strong enough.  I have to go through a harbour entrance where the current runs at 4-5 knots and I wouldnt want to be caught out.
Also your post about the conflict with the rudder stock was helpful but I dont quite understand.  You couldnt elaborate could you?  Sorry to be thick!
Warmest regards
Peter Ivermee

[Simon Knight]

Hi, I have yet to try the 2.5 hp with the Bay Raider as I only collected my BR last week :-), but I have experience of a 2.3 Honda with a Lune Whammel and the @2.5 suzi with a Drascombe Coaster.  The small engines pushed both boats at hull speed in smooth water and "normal" boating type winds.  I sailed the Drascombe in company with other Coasters many with 6-10 h.p engines and their owners were surprised if not shocked that my egg beater enabled me to keep up with them.  In my opinion an engine in the 6-8 hp range will get the boat to hull speed (approx 5 knots) at lower revs, it will be able to push against stronger winds and possibly greater swells and it will enable you to tow a greater weight.  The down sides are cost <£500 versus circa £2500 for a 8 hp, weight 13kg versus 35-40 kg and greater fuel consumption.

I think the size of engine question boils down to how do you see yourself using it. For me the light weight is a plus as it means that I can get it on and off the boat unaided for when I sail on lakes that ban engines.

I would recommend that you borrow a small engine and give it a try, for me the benefits beat the negatives.

best wishes
Simon

[Julian Swindell]

Just to take this further, has anyone had experience of using one of the Torqeedo electric outboards with a Swallowboat? I have got a Honda 2.3 HP for my new boat, which may do the job, but I am getting so disillusioned about the reliability of four strokes. No matter how well I keep them serviced, they just seem to pack up and stop on me for no obvious reason. I know that batteries can go flat, but I hope that they would at least work when they have got a bit of a charge. Any experience out there?

[Tony]

Hi, Folks.
Yes we're all in it for the sailing - but I DO like to use my reliable (touch wood )lightweight 4HP Yamaha, too. It gets the Four Sisters and I home at 6 knots against wind and tide when I am too hungry to muck about with short tacking. If I could have found a 2.5HP motor with a reverse gear (which I have ) and an alternator (which I dont ) I would have been a happy man.
   Having said that, I think electric motors are INFINITELY superior. Quiet, robustly reliable, powerful and mechanically less complex. I have been really impressed with those I have seen in action. The only (BIG) problem is the batteries. They cost too much, they go flat too quickly and (even supposing you have somewhere handy to plug em in) they take too long to recharge. All fatal flaws as far as I am concerned. Even Lithium Ion batteries are Watt for Watt much heavier than the very few litres of petrol they can replace.  Until someone makes a cheap, high wattage fuel cell, or perhaps a usable hybrid system with an on-board generator ......or  arranges for a world wide modular battery exchange system (fat chance ) I fear trailer sailors are stuck with fossil fuels and all the sins that the internal combustion engine is heir to. If anyone can tell me something new on the subject I would be delighted to hear it.

[Julian Swindell]

I think my problems with outboards is probably due to me. I try to make sure that I always store them on the right side, but they do get shaken about in the back of the car, so maybe the works do get oiled up. I suspect if I had an electric motor, it would stall and when I touched it I would get a nasty shock. Maybe I will stick to oars. Mind you one cracked last time I rowed...

I am intrigued by the idea of an electric motor and a small portable generator, but like Tony, I don't think the technology is really there yet.

[Julian Swindell]

That is what I meant by the technology not being quite there yet...

[Jeremy]

That is interesting, because it gives a rough estimate of the power needed to propel a BR at this speed.  Assuming that the BSFC of this engine is around 300g/kWh (pretty typical, I think) then if it uses 0.66 litres per hour then the average power being delivered is about 1.6kW, or just over 2hp.

Jeremy

{0.66 litres ~ 475g, so at 300g per kW hour the power = 475 / 300 = 1.58kW)

[Simon Knight]

I have a problem with my Suzuki 2.5 engine in that it will tick over while in neutral but stalls when put in gear or at low revs.  How do your Suzuki 2.5 engines perform at low revs?

Simon

[Craic]

Simon, you must readjust your idle throttle limiting screw, and -possibly- the little mixture screw (if the engine cuts out when you open the throttle quickly after having had the engine in idle a few minutes). I have two Suzukis 2.5 and they both work absolutely perfect, in rain or shine, better than any other engine I had before, Hondas, Mercury, Johnsons, two and single cylinder ones.

[Simon Knight]

Claus,

I will have a play when I an next afloat.

Simon

[Mark Kendall]

Simon,

I had the same problem last year with a new suzuki 2.5.  It kept cutting out when putting into gear until the engine was fully warmed up.  It sometimes cut out even when warm too. It is a common problem.  The reason for this is that to pass the EU emissions rules the fuel mixture is restricted until the engine is fully warm. A suzuki marine dealer quickly sorted it out by increasing the dia of hole the fuel goes into the carb.  It now works perfectly.

Mark Kendall

[Graham W]

Here are some photos of the Suzuki tilt lever from both sides. The curved metal in the second photo is the bit that needs shortening.  I have now followed the suggestion that Claus made and it works a treat, although brute force is needed to unbend and then rebend the metal.

[Colin Morley]

I dont have experience with a 2.5 HP outboard. I decided to buy a 5hp, which I have been very happy with, for the following reasons:1. If I want to get home against a strong tide and head wind with all the crew cold and tired I need an engine that will easily cope with it all. 2. A 5 HP has forward, neutral and reverse gear. I think the reverse gear is almost vital. There have been several situations where I have been manoeuvring in a closed space. Having reversed gear has got me out of trouble. The bay raider is a great boat but with no water ballast and no centreboard down the bows can easily blow off own wind when going slowly.

Colin

[Graham W]

I decided to buy a 5hp, which I have been very happy with

Which one have you got?