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General Discussion / Re: Baycruiser 23 Engine
« Last Post by Sea Simon on Today at 10:11 »
A few thoughts, fwiw? My BC 26 is inboard diesel, saildrive.


extra weight....yes undoubtedly.
no ability to dry out.... Not so. I can, and do dry out. However, need to be very aware of the vulnerable saildrive.
extra drag when sailing. ...Not too bad. Saildrive aperture has a fairing diaphragm.  Folding prop.
loss of space...yes.
hassle of anodes etc...yes, especially  on a Beta Marine diesel/twin disc drive leg. They eat anodes. Fortunately,  as a Marine Engineer I do my own maintenance, in situ of of course.
trailer needs greater immersion, including hubs...yes, very much so. Immersing a double axle braked trailer can quickly/easily become very expensive and time consuming. My trailer has never been in the water, the boat being moved by a yard hoist and placed on the trailer, mast up. Original owner used to take the mast down (alloy - so crane required), then tow home behind a Land Rover for barn storage.  I have neither LR, nor barn; she lives in a yard near home. As before, the boat is launched in the spring, and recovered in the autumn.
My Storage fees include over-summering the trailer. It is too big/heavy to move by hand.

For me, the drying out issue is important, and, as I want to launch / recover the boat myself rather than pay for craneage, the trailer immersion is critical too.
...Yes... to me, the owners planned routine/cycle of usage is the key driver in "acceptability " of an inboard? Now in my 2nd season, it definitely works for me. Quiet, very economical, reliable, always immediately available (as is the fuel, there are several ports hereabouts where "bulk petrol" is not readily available.

Other things?
Obvioulsy...Trailer/train size/weight. My trailer maybe about a Ton MT, I fear? Towed it once behind my ordinary estate car. Not something I'd want to do regularly,  it definitely had control of the car. With boat loaded, it would be over 10m long (not that I'd be able to move it with the car, even if stupid enough to try)!
Years ago, as a group of pals, we campaigned an International 6m (almost 40ft, maybe 8T - perhaps more?) Towing a tri-axle trailer behind a very large US Ford F650 double rear wheel pick up. Towing to France decided for me that it was NOT the sort of thing that I wanted to do for a "holiday". This gets complicated,  and VERY expensive. Wealthier owners use especially converted 7.5 T flat bed lorries, towing the support rhib on a trailer. The very wealthiest,  adapted curtain side artics!

A BC 23 might be about my personal limit, financially and in terms of "nerve"?

I'm  fortunate,  in that I have pals with boats based in both Scilly and W Scotland, so no need to tow mine!

So...maybe don't dismiss an inboard, should one turn up - it might suit? But,  As far as I know, there are very few.
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General Discussion / Re: New PredictCurrent app
« Last Post by Graham W on Today at 08:01 »
The PredictCurrent app was useful on my trip up to Barra in the Outer Hebrides to plan which direction to turn for the day and what time to plan to return, making best use of currents.  Also to see the timing of the fiercest currents in the sounds between the islands.  Particularly on the several days when there was little wind and I had to rely on my low horsepower eProp electric motor to get anywhere.

However, the app’s cost of £29 a quarter is excessive and I have cancelled at the end of my free trial period.  Other apps (Navionics, Savvy Navvy) provide more or less the same tidal information in a slightly less accessible form.

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General Discussion / Re: Baycruiser 23 Engine
« Last Post by trailing by on 17 May 2024, 12:26 »
Thanks Rosieferg.  There are some obvious things in favour of inboards but some discussions outside this forum has given a list of things against:

extra weight
no ability to dry out
extra drag when sailing
loss of space
hassle of anodes etc
trailer needs greater immersion, including hubs

For me, the drying out issue is important, and, as I want to launch / recover the boat myself rather than pay for craneage, the trailer immersion is critical too.
 
Unfortunately, my budget won't stretch to your boat Rosieferg.  She looks really good - nice colour.
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For Sale and Wanted / Baycruiser 23 for sale
« Last Post by Rosieferg on 16 May 2024, 17:52 »
Fantastic opportunity to buy a lovely example of this popular boat.  Built in 2021 (sail no 78) and very little used, she is in immaculate condition with a very high spec including performance rig and laminate sails, flexiteak on cockpit seats and floor,  9.9 Yamaha outboard with electric start, Garmin chartplotter, harken self tailing winches, spray hood, solar panels, cockpit cover and brand new custom built trailer. Hull is Signal Grey with black antifoul and teak trim. Reluctantly for sale due to change of circumstances.  £63,000
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General Discussion / Re: Baycruiser 23 Engine
« Last Post by Rosieferg on 16 May 2024, 17:35 »
Hi There
I went through the same thought process re outboard v inboard engine but was completely (and I think correctly) convinced by Matt of Swallow Yachts that the boat is much better suited to having an outboard. And in fact there are I think very few built with inboards 
Reluctantly I am having to sell my boat, and wonder whether you might be interested. She was built in 2021, very high spec and in pretty much immaculate condition.  She is pale grey, with teak trim, performance rig, Garmin chartplotter, harken winches, Yamaha 9.9 outboard with electric start , brand new (never been in the water) custom made trailer. Sail no is 78. She has been sailed very little and is currently stored undercover.  Let me know if you would like more details and pic.
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General Discussion / Baycruiser 23 Engine
« Last Post by trailing by on 16 May 2024, 14:22 »
Hello, I'm a bit of an oldie, but new on here and I'm considering a Baycruiser 23 and will keep an eye out for anything coming up second-hand. It'll be quite a change for us as we have been sailing larger, more offshore-oriented boats for some years.  However, we started on dinghies and then progressed to a Cornish Shrimper (inboard) and have also trailed and sailed a Red Fox 20 (outboard).

I only know a little about the BC23, but she looks as if she might well suit our move back to trailer sailing.  It appears that the boat was designed primarily with outboard propulsion in mind and I wonder how many have been built with inboards.  The pros and cons list for both engine types is endlessly debatable, but overall, I've come to prefer inboards.  I'd be interested in any comments from BC23 sailors, especially if they have any knowledge / experience of the inboard.
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Sailing and Events / Re: A Memory Of Mylor 2023 Raid
« Last Post by Philip L on 16 May 2024, 11:09 »
Wow Gareth - I'm impressed that you spotted this.  The fleet of Swallow Yachts is only visible for about 3 seconds!
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Sailing and Events / A Memory Of Mylor 2023 Raid
« Last Post by garethrow on 15 May 2024, 17:04 »
If anyone has been watching 'Saving Lives At Sea' on the BBC, last night's episode featured the last day of the Mylor 2023 Raid! OK, it wasn't one of us in trouble, rather the story followed the sticken cargo ship that was towed in to Falmouth on the last day - getting in our way somewhat as we made our way back to Mylor. The aerial footage is too indistinct to make out which boat is which, but I am pretty sure I know which is us - because I recall having to circle back whilst waiting for the tow to pass.

I am fervently hoping that this will be the closest I get to featring on the programme!

Gareth Rowlands
GRP BR20 Halen Y Mor
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Technical / Re: BC26 - fresh water in port (larboard) Locker
« Last Post by Nick Orchard on 15 May 2024, 11:49 »
Hi Andy
I’ve had several sources of fresh water leaking into the locker. The shower unit is certainly suspect no 1 - either it needs a new washer on the shower head connector, or  possibly just tightening, or else check the push-fit plumbing connections. I have had problems with elbows leaking both in the heads and near the pump. I think part of the problem is that on a boat we keep depressurising the system and to some extent it’s the water pressure that maintains the seals.
Next suspect is the socket for the tiller pilot in the seat/locker lid. This socket is subject to quite high forces and the lid isn’t very thick. I noticed mine was starting to move under load and leaked rainwater. I glued a wooden backing pad on the inside and reset the socket with epoxy and haven’t had any trouble since.
Another way I managed to get water in was via a towel that I hang off the rail under the locker lid. I realised one day that the towel was wet because I’d got one corner of it trapped under the lid and it had wicked water in from the channel at the back, surprising how much water was in the bottom of the locker as a result.
It might also be worth checking the drainage channels around the lid for hair-line cracks.
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Technical / Re: BC26 (and possibly other boats) ballast pump problem
« Last Post by AndyB on 15 May 2024, 06:26 »
Thanks for the advice Nick.

I have the same problem with the pump needing priming. I have only done this once but it is a shock the first time.
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